The Saturday Cities I Don’t Like

By Nomadic Matt | Published February 20th, 2010

Back in 2008, I wrote about some of the cities in the world I didn’t like. Since then I’ve been to a lot more places in the world. I liked about 99% of them. But, you can’t like everywhere. While I always try to look for the good in place and be fair my judgment, sometimes I just dislike a place. Places like these:

Auckland
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Auckland isn’t a bad city. It’s just boring. Sure, it might be different if you live here or have a car but Auckland lacks a soul. It’s a sprawling city of buildings and suburbs where business gets done. It has very little character. It’s a nice place to spend a day but I’ll take Wellington or Queenstown over it any day.

Athens
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Crowded, polluted, ugly, and prone to riots, I have no love for Athens. It’s just awful. Even my Athenian friends don’t like it. There is trash everywhere. It smells. And the Greeks could take a few lessons from the Italians on preserving ruins, which isn’t saying much since the Italians do a pretty bad job as it is. I just have nothing nice to say about Athens.

Berlin
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I know – how can I not like Berlin right? I don’t hate Berlin but it doesn’t do anything special for me. I prefer Munich to Berlin. Berlin is too industrial. I’ll probably go back one day but I am no rush. A turtle will probably get there quicker than I will. After hearing so much about the city, I was extremely disappointed at how mediocre it was. I did enjoy it’s nightlife though. I bit too much.

Note: Since writing this post, I’ve been back to Berlin and love it now! Here is why I changed my mind.

Los Angeles
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This sprawling megacity is polluted and filled with wannabe actors. After a few sights, there’s not much here. Los Angeles is a love it or hate it city and I hate it. I can’t love a city where with so little public transport, wannabee actors, vain rich people, and people who only care about looks and botox. The place is vapid and disingenuous. I’ll pass and head to San Francisco.

Phuket
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People love Phuket and I won’t deny that on this large island there is more to it than Patong beach. But Phuket is the capital of Thailand’s island tourism and as such it is expensive and over developed. There are a million other islands in Thailand that are far more beautiful, pristine, and lack sex tourists. Give me the beautiful Ko Taruatao national park in the south any day.

Siem Reap
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Boring and overly built for tourists, the only good thing about Siem Reap is that Angkor Wat is right there. I find Siem Reap a city that exists only to serve Angkor Wat and as such, a city not worth spending time in. It lacks life. I loved Phnom Penh a lot more and would rather lose myself there. Siem Reap travel is just not worth it.

Belize City
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No one stays in Belize City. People fly in and then get the first bus to anywhere but there. The city is ugly, dirty, and crime stricken. It’s one of the few places in the world I felt unsafe in…during the day. I would love to go back to Belize but I’ll never stay in Belize City.

The world is a big place and just like you don’t like all the people you meet, you don’t always like the places you go. Sometimes a place just rubs you the wrong way. I try to look for the best in every city but sometimes, there’s nothing I like. However, considering all the places I have been in the world, I think disliking so few is quite impressive.

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I really gotta agree with you on Phuket and Siem Reap. Siem Reap especially – terrible place to hang out.

I agree with you on Los Angeles. As a California native, I’ve always hated it and refuse to go there although I did have to fly out of there on my last international trip. I disagree with you on Siem Reap. I loved it and thought it was full of life. Yes, it is very touristy but for obvious reasons. The people were super friendly and I found plenty to do. I chose not to go to Phuket knowing that I would probably hate it for the reasons you mentioned as well as a friend of mine telling me how horrible it was. As travelers, there will be places we love and places we don’t…

PaulD

You mean as a “Northern California native.” No, you didn’t say so, but I can spot them from miles away. A guy who lived in my co-op when I went to Berkeley hated Los Angeles so much that his hatred extended to palm trees! (He did like Disneyland, though) Achh.

NomadicMatt

I’m actually from Boston! :)

I was thinking the same thing – as a Southern California native, one who has not only spent an enormous amount of time visiting Los Angeles, but recently lived there for three years for college, I find it a shame that there is so much hatred toward the city. But am I surprised? Not really. It is definitely a magnet for “wannabe actors” and the rich and luxurious, but I find it unfair to label the city as a whole “disingenuous.” With an insider’s view, I know that you have to know where to look, and select the places you want to see and encounter. If you spend all your LA time on Hollywood Blvd, Rodeo Drive, and the Sunset strip, you’re going to be surrounded by plastic surgery, the rich and snooty, and/or animalistic paparazzi, dirty and slummy environments, and a horde of tourists crawling over each other to catch a glimpse of Paris Hilton.

Try off-the-beaten path places, of which there are MANY in this enormous and multi-cultured city. And you don’t even have to stray off into the surrounding valley or wilderness to experience what I mean: try Third Street Promenade, the Farmer’s Market at the Grove, the La Brea Tar Pits, for example, just to get a taste of the wide diversity the megalopolis has to offer.

Anyway, sorry – my point is that there is so much more to LA than meets the tourist’s eye. Downtown just plain sucks, I’ll give you that, but the city spreads to outer reaches far beyond the hubbub of the superficial and the grimy.

But I do understand that this is from a tourist’s point of view, not an insider’s. And I respect that this is your opinion! But I also sadly disagree with Berlin. ;)

I’d have to disagree on Los Angeles, though it can be a very off-putting place. You can (easily) avoid the actor types, if not all the driving. And there’s a lot to do, and with plenty of great places pretty nearby as well.

I TOTALLY agree with you on Phuket. Almost any other island in Thailand is better and I urge anyone that’s asks me about Phuket to go somewhere else. I haven’t been to Koh Taruatao yet though. I must check it out.

A recent cruise I took stopped at Belize City. I was terribly disappointed with this city. Just a run-down place with unfriendly people. I like Athens for the history and the food, but I couldn’t believe how bad the pollution is. I’m sorry to say that the artifacts from the Parthenon is better preserved at the Bristish Museum:-( Phuket is great for food, shopping and nightlife, perhaps for one day. It’s a great place to hop to other fabulous islands. I like Los Angeles for the Asian food. I’ll have to find out what else there is to do there?!!

sds

i live in la and i have to say that you’re wrong. you just have to know where to look to find the jewels. obviously, it’s best with a car, but you can see the “real” la without bothering with the celeb culture and the vanity.

Jerusalem on a Saturday. If you’re not religious, welcome to the most boring place on earth on a Saturday. No public transit, no cars on the road, nothing to do but walk around.

You forgot to mention that if you go through a particularly religious neighborhood (by car or on foot), you’ll have stuff thrown at you — dirt clods, trash, etc. I live in Israel and I completely avoid Jerusalem on Saturdays. I like the north much better! :-)

Jenn

Totally agree with you about Athens. I was shocked at how dirty it was, and outside the acropolis area there wasn’t much to do. The food was good buy didn’t make up for the fact we could hear rioters chanting all night and had armed police outside our hotel. It was bad.

As a Northern Californian I have always hated LA just on principle but although I still don’t like the traffic there are some interesting things in the city that have grown on me. I now feel that if you don’t like LA you need a better guide.

How could you not like Berlin? When you go back, go back in December when the Christmas markets are everywhere.

Dani

Good information here, but I am surprised to see Los Angeles and Berlin on your list. I’ve been to L.A. twice and I loved it (but mainly for Santa Monica and Venice Beach which are not technically in L.A.). Never been to Berlin, but planning to stay there on my trip to Europe this Spring, I’m expecting it to be very industrial so maybe I will like it.

I like the outskirts of LA – Santa Monica, Venice, etc.

Disagree about Athens. I didn’t expect to like it, and I don’t love it, but I was pleasantly surprised – but I was there in April with not too many tourists and good weather. Several very good museums, nice side trip to Cape Sounion, some good food, very good metro. Coffee was pretty bad, but that was true all over Greece.
I was last in Siem Reap in ’04, and while I preferred other places in Cambodia I didn’t think it was that bad, but I suspect it’s gotten a lot worse since then.
Can’t think of anything good to say about L.A., though!

It was the reverse for me on Berlin and Munich. Love Berlin. So-so on Munich. It’s probably due to the fact I spend a whole week in Berlin while I have only been to Munich during the weekends and on day trips.

I’m not sure I can agree with most of your selections, but Belize City definitely deserves to be on the list. It’s one of many large cities in the area (e.g. Guatemala City, San Pedro Sula, Managua) that belong on the list.

NomadicMatt

Travel is an individual experience :)

I spent a month-and-a-half living in Athens last year and while I did not enjoy my first few weeks there, the city really began to grow on me after a while. Of course, being in the center of the city where most everything is taking place helps the situation. If I had only been there for a couple days I don’t think I would have enjoyed it nearly as much. My first impression of Athens, however, was that it looked more like Los Angeles than any other place I have ever visited in Europe. So if you don’t like LA, you probably won’t like Athens either.

I love posts like this. Everyone can’t love everything and it is always fun to read what people don’t like. We were in Belize City in 2003 and read all the warnings about it. We ended up staying for 2 nights and really did like it. We were carting our diving gear with us and were a little paranoid on arrival, but then a man yelled at us while walking through a back street to look up. We thought we were going to be ambushed or something but he was pointing out thousands of birds circling overhead…he then yelled, “welcome to my city” After that we felt right at home and everyone was so nice to us during out time. We had chats at the waterfront and laughed about how both our countries have the queen on our currency.
However, I know that a lot can change in time and 7 years is a long time. Everything is probably different now. So I don’t think that we will go back to Belize and we will keep our beautiful memories.

Jessica

My trip to NZ instantly got 100% better when I got out of Auckland. :)

NomadicMatt

HA! I agree

Melvin

I never been to any of those places, but they do NOT look interesting at all. I live in New Jersey and I extremely hate it with a passion. I do not like New York City nor Philadelphia. I also hate Atlanta.

Melvin

I also did not like Las Vegas as well.

With Athens a person needs to look beyond the pollution and the shifty neighborhoods. The problem is the increase of foreigners, however the Greeks treat them poorly which adds to the problem

But, beyond that, Athens filled with nice girls. I think of it as Babe City. If you can find the right neighborhoods, there is good food and lots of friendliness. It helps to couch-surf in Athens to get a better picture of the city.

I stayed a total of about two weeks and I came to like the city, but that is looking beyond the pollution and ghetto streets. By the way one street can be like a ghetto and the next street can be very pleasant, it is really weird how that works in Athens

But for a quick in and out tourist, basically that is what they will see.

Oh yeah, the subway rocks.

Rob

Auckland is beyond dull – am sure it is ok to live there, but there is nothing for tourists at all. Also agree about LA – although a essentially gateway to California for most people.

Not sure Siem Reap deserves to be here – I don’t think it ever tried to pretend that anyone would ever go there for anything other than Angkor Wat…

NomadicMatt

I just don’t like “gateway” cities- places the exist solely as a way station to go somewhere else and that’s what Siem Reap is.

I once felt the way you do about L.A., but it’s a very, ahem, superficial take on the city I must say. Perhaps, as others say, you have to live their to learn about the hidden gems. I wonder if the same is true of the other cities on this list? I’ve come to the state of mind that it’s much better to find what’s great about a place than spend energy tearing it down. So much more rewarding.
But I do agree that, for the traveling visitor, not sure how interesting L.A. can be. I’d rather spend one week in many other places.

I specifically avoided Phuket and agree completely on Siem Reap. However, I’ve heard the opposite about Munich/Berlin. Goes to show, everyone is individual, entitled their opinion.

I’d love to see your extended list by continent. On my list would be Kuta, Bali. It’s not bad necessarily, but the locals at night throw too many child “purchase” requests at you to feel clean for long. It really makes you feel dirty.

LA – I have to agree with you 100%. A HOLE if there every was one.

I think one’s experience depends also on the people you meet or the people you’re with and also the weather can totally alter your experience.

I find that some places are very over-crowded, like Rome was when we visited and that Munich was very expensive compared to Berlin , plus as we were there at Christmas it was also very cold. As I’m allergic to crowds & prefer to go to places where I feel like a princess rather than a pauper, this coloured my experience, although I’ll go back to both and probably find some magic next time.

Matt – I agree with almost all of what you said. It is crazy to me that so many people will see Belize City when the cruise drops them off, and think the rest of the country is like that. I always tell people to avoid Belize City!

Laura J

Haha,

I lived in Auckland for one year. I HATED it there. It is a pretty city, yes, but with horrendous infrastructure. To be in a city of less than one and a half million, yet take over an hour to drive 2-3 ks is horrendous. Yet this is combined with horrendously expensive public transport. I don’t miss it for a second!

Also, I have to second L.A. – its just not nice. I do like Berlin though!

Ben

Totally agree about Auckland and Siem Reap, couldn’t have put it better myself.

Sofia - As We Travel

Totally agree on Auckland, such a dull city… And the fact that they brag about that tower being the biggest tourist attraction just makes it so sad…

NomadicMatt

It’s an unimpressive tower.

Yup I agree with you on Siem reap. without angkor Wat, I don think I will even bother visiting it. My Europe-based sis who visited Athens left for Pragueasap only after spending a day photographing Athens ruins. She doesnt like Athens. She also thinks that Rome is over-rated

I like how objective you are in this post. we can´t love every place, for sure.

Headed to LA in two weeks and like any good Washington, DC area resident I don’t have much respect for a place where you get ahead by getting plastic surgery. However, I’m hoping to have my mind changed. Looking for sun, good restaurants, and a relaxed atmosphere. Thinking LA can handle that.

becs

Having lived in both LA and Auckland, I can see your opinion from a tourist point of view. Both cities suck from a tourist point of view (esp. AKL) but it takes living in both of them to discover the hidden gems.

At least all your least favorite cities have something in common: gateway cities that are huge, sprawling and have horrible public transport.

How about a flip-side post of your favs from the last year?

As a Kiwi I agree Auckland is a dump – and you couldn’t pay me enough to live there – because the wages are no higher but rents/ houses are insane – on the news tonight – NZ$250/week for a 20m2 apartment – we paid the same for a large 1 bed within 5km of Wellington;s CBD with a car park.

LA – is dire – but Iworked their for months and finally found the original Spanish pueblo- really nice – so long as you speak Spanish

Siem Reap, wasn’t IMHO as bad as Vientaine in Laos – but it certainly wasn’t like being in Cambodia!

Athens I didn’t mind – but we staying walking distance to the acropolis and not for long.

Berlin still on my must do list LOL

Pretty much agree on Siem Reap, but we had a friend living there, and she took us to some very cool places that are definitely unknown to most tourists. I wouldn’t make it a destination though, except for Angkor Wat being right there.

I understand where you’re coming from on Athens, as it does not give good first impressions at all. But having lived there for a year, I have to say that I love it. It’s one of those cities that makes you work really hard but once you get to know it, you come to love and appreciate it. Lots of fabulous neighborhoods and cool people, but you’ve got to give it time, which understandably most people don’t or aren’t able to do.

Love, love, love Berlin. I’d happily move there. But having a degree in German and a strong interest in history, it’s an easy fit for me.

Some people love it, I absolutely despised being in this city and couldn’t wait to leave: Ankara, Turkey
We had to wait for a friend to fly in and meet us to continue the rest of our trip Westward. It was dirty, polluted, had terrible urban sprawl, was difficult to navigate, and – according to Lonely Planet – the area we were staying was dangerous.

Can we add ‘Shanghai” to a poor Saturday city? let’s do it.

Ha! I always say that I love Berlin so much. Now when I think about it after reading this, it is only for it’s nightlife.. Yes, that thing can be too much sometimes especially there – but I will keep loving that city just because of that. Perfect weekend get away when I need to mess up my brain a bit.

And I do agree on Phuket. Terrible compared to what you really can get out of Thailand.

xx

NomadicMatt

I’ll admit- I did like the nightlife in Berlin but that was about it!

Lisa H. Chang

I’m surprised about Berlin. I was planning a few days there on an upcoming trip to Europe … maybe I’ll reconsider spending so much time there. I’m a person who’d take the countryside over a city any day anyway. :)

NomadicMatt

You should give it a try. This is just my thoughts.

Monna McD

Matt, I’m completely with you on Phuket. We were just on vacation at Kata Beach for a week and it was decidely un-lovely. I’ve been in Thailand for eight months now and I’ve never encountered such aggressive vendors or such tacky surroundings. Also, the food was way TOO expensive.
I can recommend Cape Panwa on Phuket (a much quieter beach) from a previous visit but we stayed at a high-end place so that wouldn’t work for pack-backers.
There are some great beaches on Koh Samed… just a quick taxi ride and boat trip from BKK… you can be there in three hours.

NomadicMatt

Agreed. Ko Samet is way better. I go there quite often.

Of the cities you list, I’ve only been to LA and Berlin. Totally agree about LA. Went once to visit friends who live there and have zero desire to go back.

I was pleasantly surprised by Berlin. I had been to Munich twice before (loved it), as well as Frankfurt (ok), Stuttgart (ok), Trier (loved), Heidelberg (loved) and Cologne (hated with a passion). I was afraid Berlin would be like Cologne and had VERY low expectations. So I was quite surprised when, after 5 full days there, I was wishing I had more time! I am quite a history buff so I loved the museums and Charlottenburg and did a day trip to Potsdam. I was also there at Christmastime, so the atmosphere with all the Christmas markets and people just hanging out eating pretzels and drinking hot wine was amazing and gave it more of a smaller town feel than a big city.

Interestingly enough, I’ve never even had any desire to go to the other cities you mention. :)

Diana

Matt, interesting list – one that I’ll keep in mind! I read your other list from 2008. “Craplanta”? Ha ha ha. If this traveling blog thing doesn’t work out for you, stand up might be the natural next step. In any case, I love your honesty in these posts. Can’t win them all, right?

NomadicMatt

Nope, you can’t win them all! Places can’t be everything to everyone.

Lis

Yeah I’m not an Aucklander – but when the option came up to moving there or Australia – the option was obvious – Austtralia. As a NZer who owned a nice big house in Wellington not 10km from the CBD – but in Auckland we would have been miles out.

I think its tragic that next year’s World Cup has the big games in Auckland – it wouldn’t be a good experience for the visitors

NomadicMatt

Wellington is way better!

ianjg83

I agree with you on Auckland. I stayed with friends there in Feb 2008 for a week & a half – great company, and Aucklanders in general seemed pleasant enough, but the city itself has little to recommend it, and public transport is abysmal.

If you do have reason to go there, the one part of the city I’d recommend is Karangahape Road (locally, ‘K Road’). It’s Auckland’s answer to London’s Camden, and well worth a visit. Otherwise, get out and see the rest of the North Island, there’s some beautiful scenery and great places such as Rotorua, Taupo and the Coromandel Peninsula to visit.

Too bad for Berlin, one of my favorite cities. People are very relaxed there and it’s a very multicultural city. Hope you can get back there and enjoy it more some day…

LOVE Athens! You must have Stayed in the wrong part of the city.

Glad someone feels the same. This post is written without a slightest attempt to be objective or consistent. Regardless of whether I like Athens or not (after living there for a year, I can discuss both the pros and the cons with equal passion), brushing aside cities for reasons like “lack of character” (each of us has their own understanding of character, anyway) is just plain misleading to other travellers. Only publications of the Lonely Planet calibre can get away with it. And this blog frankly isn’t.

Sorry – but disagree with your comments about Auckland. Perhaps those of you who visited didn’t take the trouble to discover some of the islands and whale & dolphin safaris within 10 minutes of downtown, or the rainforest 45 minutes away, or the natural hot pools 20 minutes away or any of the dozen or so city beaches 10 minutes away, etc. But I do recognise that some people prefer to visit cities with smog, endless traffic, skyscrapers, expensive food & drink, poor weather, etc – none of which Auckland suffers with. Choice & freedom of speech is a wonderful thing! :)

NomadicMatt

I can say whatever I want. This is my website. I don’t like the cities, hence why they are in a post about places I don’t like. I don’t need to be objective. I’m just giving my opinion. Some people HATE Bangkok but it’s one of my favorite places in the world. People have their own opinions and it’s no better or worse than your own.

Puppy

What??? Phuket, Siem Reap, LA, Athen are my favourite cities… i think we have different preferences… But i do agree for Phnom Penh, it’s beautiful

The first time I went to New York City, I hated it! Then I went back 6 years later and I fell in love with the Big Apple. I love Toronto (hometown), Quebec City, Chicago, San Francisco, Mexico City, Panama City and surprisingly Las Vegas. I’m not a fan of Los Angeles (I found it dull), mediocre time in Habana (it wasn’t the city, it was my experience. Totally my fault), and no matter how many times I keep going back to Montreal I just don’t like it!!!
Sometimes I like to know what cities people don’t like and not what they do like, it gives you a different perspective. A cousin of mine lived in Habana for 6 months and when he found out I was going there he was thrilled. I got to Habana and anything that could go wrong, WENT WRONG! Suffice, I lied when I told him I liked Habana, I actually don’t. Not to say I won’t go back, but I’ll be more prepared. Montreal, I don’t know…I guess its their hatred toward Torontonians that put me off. I can’t argue that Montreal is a beautiful city and people wonder why I don’t like it? Put it this way, if Montreal was a gorgeous model, I still wouldn’t be attracted to him just because I don’t find anything interesting towards Montreal. Maybe I just didn’t give it a chance? Put it this way, I went to NYC twice…first time I hated it, 2nd time I loved it. I’ve been to Montreal EIGHT TIMES and I still just don’t know why I don’t like it…it’s just meant to be that way.

Deon

Have you been to Delhi yet? I don’t think I have been to a more filthy and depressing city in my life, I just cant think of anything good about it, well maybe the Jama Masjid Mosque is pretty cool. I really liked Berlin though, but can see why you like Munich more.

I absolutely LOVE Athens. I loved every single ruin and, to my surprise , I disliked Rome (yes, the Roman Forum is fantastic but no info whatsoever on the site). Sure, there was bad press about Athens but I was there in March this year and there were no riots. And nothing smelled.
I think you are not fair at all when it comes to Athens. Try to visit it off season not when everyone else is there, too.

NomadicMatt

I think outside the Plaka, Athens is a cesspool. I want to spray it with a giant hose and clean it!

I agree with just about all of these (Phuket’s the only one I’ve not been to), except Berlin.

Berlin’s arguably my favourite city in Europe – it’s a genuine one off. The history’s fascinating, there are tons of great museums, the subcultures there are fascinating, there’s plenty of weird stuff to go and investigate, and there are some excellent walking tours on offer. It’s also so relaxed – people don’t care what you’re wearing or who you are; as long as you’re not hurting anyone, you can go and have whatever sort of fun you like. It’s surprisingly affordable too. Sure, it doesn’t have pretty buildings for postcard photos, but aside from that it’s a fantastic city.

Daichovo

I go to school in LA, I LOVE my school but really realized the city is not for me. I really tried to give it a go as I am trying to find a place to “settle” down once I finish school to start my medical practice, I love large cities but Philly and NYC were not for me (love ‘em, but my side career didn’t happen, Chicago is great but also bad for my other career)

I found reasonably quickly a lot of the “off the beaten path” stuff in LA (who mentioned the Grove/farmer’s market? PLEASE. I gig there in the holidays and this is NOTHING like a real farmer’s market. Makes me want to vomit all over the makeup section in my contract. Mariachi square is cool at the right time, but pretty hit/miss, the rodeo was no big deal to me, but I play a lot of Latin music) and for the most part it was not all that great, nothing I hadn’t seen elsewhere before, usually on a smaller scale too. Except here you have to drive an hour or two. People are not necessarily vapid and superficial depending on your scene but it does seem like a lot of people who are cool are not super insightful, just living day to day, TV set and going out. It’s a fact that you have to dress more put together here and wear makeup. However people ARE more openminded toward things like alt medicine, healthy foods, woo-woo stuff like astrology, and the natural stuff around LA is mind-blowing. Mixed-bag.

tomas

People who say Siem Reap is boring and build for tourists is because they were there exclusively for the temples. I live in Siem Reap since more than 3 years and I can tell the city is not boring at all. Yeah, provably if you are going to pub street you will hate it. But this small town is not only tourism and temples, is more than that. Lovely people, lakes where you can swim, beautiful waterfalls, amazing food… all of that without tourism. I totally disagree…

Diane

I just got back from Siem Reap. Wish I read this first! Compared to most places in Thailand it’s dirty, pricey, and some people involved in the tourist industry are unfriendly and out for your money. Temples are fabulous though, but not really worth it to hang around the town. Have to agree with you on Phuket as well. The rest of Thailand is much nicer, safer, and cheaper too. Public transport in Phuket is woefully inadequate, and taxis cost about three times as much as anywhere else.

Sihanoukville, Hua Hin, and Chiang Mai are much better choices IMHO. Thanks for an honest post. Lonely Planet glosses over things sometimes.

deb

obviously no one saw the real siem reap away from pub street. sihanoukville is mafia and drugs…so if you like that place then I guess we know what type of person you are. i wonder how long the non likers stayed in any of the non liked cities? you have to live in a place to appreciate it not breeze thru with tourist eyes. so ignorant

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