<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: The Four Things I Hate About Europe</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/</link> <description>Nomadic Matt&#039;s Travel Site</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:02:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3</generator> <item><title>By: american</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-117147</link> <dc:creator>american</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:22:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-117147</guid> <description>In response to the discussion about North American &quot;politeness&quot;:If you&#039;re not from North America, you may not understand the &quot;politeness&quot; being discussed here.  Obviously some of the &quot;politeness&quot; coming from businesses is false and done for the sake of money, but it wouldn&#039;t be done if it didn&#039;t make a difference.  Businesses adopt policies of that nature because they want to blend in with the culture in order to gain more customers and therefore make more money.  It&#039;s not like it&#039;s a vast, corporate conspiracy that has altered the entire culture of North America; it actually comes from somewhere.  Also, just because some businesses are superficial doesn&#039;t mean all North American individuals are.Everybody is different.  Some of us may never ask &quot;How are you?&quot; unless we&#039;re willing to listen (maybe because we&#039;re genuinely that friendly and open with strangers, or because the person being asked is close).  It&#039;s true that, in some cases, people will say they&#039;re doing well even if that&#039;s not the case, but oftentimes it&#039;s said in a revealing tone.  It wouldn&#039;t be abnormal for a follow-up question to be asked regarding that tone.We don&#039;t often give long answers because we acknowledge that we&#039;re all on-the-move.  Giving a long answer would be like stealing someone else&#039;s time away, forcing them into a position where they have to decide to either put off what they were going to do or rudely interrupt.  So if we don&#039;t have the time for any type of answer, why bother asking at all?  Because many of us actually do care, but, at the same time, short answers will suffice.  &quot;How are you?&quot; means exactly that.  It doesn&#039;t mean &quot;How are you, what brought you to that state, and what are you plans for it?&quot;  If we&#039;re curious about that, we can ask additional questions.Even if the asker doesn&#039;t care about the answer, questions like &quot;How are you?&quot; function like greetings that are very similar to saying something like &quot;Hey.&quot;  However, they carry additional meaning.  Whether or not the individual who asks it actually wants to be given an answer, it&#039;s a demonstration of politeness.  It&#039;s just the standard here.  It may be an anachronism (like so many other aspects of cultures), but doing otherwise unavoidably demonstrates impoliteness.  It&#039;s not that we&#039;re always trying to be polite; sometimes we&#039;re just afraid of being impolite.  This may seem like a lot of pointless nonsense, but, first of all, that&#039;s what a lot of culture is.  Second of all, if we want to be impolite (for whatever reason), it&#039;s as simple as omitting these pleasantries.  ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the discussion about North American &#8220;politeness&#8221;:</p><p>If you&#8217;re not from North America, you may not understand the &#8220;politeness&#8221; being discussed here.  Obviously some of the &#8220;politeness&#8221; coming from businesses is false and done for the sake of money, but it wouldn&#8217;t be done if it didn&#8217;t make a difference.  Businesses adopt policies of that nature because they want to blend in with the culture in order to gain more customers and therefore make more money.  It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s a vast, corporate conspiracy that has altered the entire culture of North America; it actually comes from somewhere.  Also, just because some businesses are superficial doesn&#8217;t mean all North American individuals are.</p><p>Everybody is different.  Some of us may never ask &#8220;How are you?&#8221; unless we&#8217;re willing to listen (maybe because we&#8217;re genuinely that friendly and open with strangers, or because the person being asked is close).  It&#8217;s true that, in some cases, people will say they&#8217;re doing well even if that&#8217;s not the case, but oftentimes it&#8217;s said in a revealing tone.  It wouldn&#8217;t be abnormal for a follow-up question to be asked regarding that tone.</p><p>We don&#8217;t often give long answers because we acknowledge that we&#8217;re all on-the-move.  Giving a long answer would be like stealing someone else&#8217;s time away, forcing them into a position where they have to decide to either put off what they were going to do or rudely interrupt.  So if we don&#8217;t have the time for any type of answer, why bother asking at all?  Because many of us actually do care, but, at the same time, short answers will suffice.  &#8220;How are you?&#8221; means exactly that.  It doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;How are you, what brought you to that state, and what are you plans for it?&#8221;  If we&#8217;re curious about that, we can ask additional questions.</p><p>Even if the asker doesn&#8217;t care about the answer, questions like &#8220;How are you?&#8221; function like greetings that are very similar to saying something like &#8220;Hey.&#8221;  However, they carry additional meaning.  Whether or not the individual who asks it actually wants to be given an answer, it&#8217;s a demonstration of politeness.  It&#8217;s just the standard here.  It may be an anachronism (like so many other aspects of cultures), but doing otherwise unavoidably demonstrates impoliteness.  It&#8217;s not that we&#8217;re always trying to be polite; sometimes we&#8217;re just afraid of being impolite.  This may seem like a lot of pointless nonsense, but, first of all, that&#8217;s what a lot of culture is.  Second of all, if we want to be impolite (for whatever reason), it&#8217;s as simple as omitting these pleasantries. <img src="http://www.nomadicmatt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif?4c9b33" alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mayormikeb</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-105877</link> <dc:creator>mayormikeb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:04:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-105877</guid> <description>but as i look at your website....i see that you may be looking at this from a &quot;nomadic&quot; perspective.  in other words:rambling around in Asia vs rambling around in Europe rambling around in Europe vs rambling around South Americain that case it pays to have more money.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but as i look at your website&#8230;.i see that you may be looking at this from a &#8220;nomadic&#8221; perspective.  in other words:</p><p>rambling around in Asia vs rambling around in Europe<br /> rambling around in Europe vs rambling around South America</p><p>in that case it pays to have more money.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mayormikeb</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-105876</link> <dc:creator>mayormikeb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:01:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-105876</guid> <description>this discussion is funny.   just take the examples of Provence, Manhattan, some dreary northern UK town,  some miasmic southern US town, some hideous Chinese backwater, Bali, the 18th Bezirk of Vienna, Tokyo....We all know the Manhattan below 96th st would be rate the highest in all 4 of these (quite arbitrary) categories with the largest english-speaking sample.NYC aint America.  But if you are looking for these 4 categories look no further than huge, global centers of art, natural beauty + commerce...SF, London, Tokyo, Miami, Barcelona...but all these will be more specific than NYC in their traits.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this discussion is funny.   just take the examples of Provence, Manhattan, some dreary northern UK town,  some miasmic southern US town, some hideous Chinese backwater, Bali, the 18th Bezirk of Vienna, Tokyo&#8230;.</p><p>We all know the Manhattan below 96th st would be rate the highest in all 4 of these (quite arbitrary) categories with the largest english-speaking sample.</p><p>NYC aint America.  But if you are looking for these 4 categories look no further than huge, global centers of art, natural beauty + commerce&#8230;SF, London, Tokyo, Miami, Barcelona&#8230;but all these will be more specific than NYC in their traits.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NomadicMatt</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-97073</link> <dc:creator>NomadicMatt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 18:53:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-97073</guid> <description>London is a great place to eat!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>London is a great place to eat!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Henry</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-97069</link> <dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-97069</guid> <description>You want good food or sub-way or any other &#039;good&#039; food then you go to London! Seriously! They have all the restaurants, French, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Tapas, Sub-Way, McDonalds, F&amp;M. London is the biggest city in Europe and has the most for you! Sure it can be expensive for most Europeans but it&#039;s totally worth it!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want good food or sub-way or any other &#8216;good&#8217; food then you go to London! Seriously! They have all the restaurants, French, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Tapas, Sub-Way, McDonalds, F&amp;M. London is the biggest city in Europe and has the most for you! Sure it can be expensive for most Europeans but it&#8217;s totally worth it!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Traveller</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-53500</link> <dc:creator>Traveller</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:12:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-53500</guid> <description>Dude, if you&#039;re frustrated about smoking habits in countries like Austria or France, I wonder what you would say if you visited Greece. You can&#039;t get away from the cigarette smoke over there. Bank tellers, receptionists, clerks, shop assistants etc. smoke while serving you, and they think they have the right to blow smoke in your face. Even doctors smoke over there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, if you&#8217;re frustrated about smoking habits in countries like Austria or France, I wonder what you would say if you visited Greece. You can&#8217;t get away from the cigarette smoke over there. Bank tellers, receptionists, clerks, shop assistants etc. smoke while serving you, and they think they have the right to blow smoke in your face. Even doctors smoke over there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JeannieL</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-51645</link> <dc:creator>JeannieL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 00:18:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-51645</guid> <description>(seems the topic of fake smiles is such a hot item) A few wise excerpts from Cultural Anthropologists:&quot;It is difficult to generalize about Americans and facial expressiveness because of individual and ethnic differences in the United States. People from certain ethnic backgrounds in the United States tend to more facially expressive than others. The key, is to try not to judge people whose ways of showing emotions are different. If we judge according to our own cultural norms, we may make the mistake of &quot;reading&#039; the other person incorrectly.&quot;&quot;Facial expressions carry meaning that is determined by situations and relationships. For instance, in American culture the smile is typically an expression of pleasure. Yet it also has other functions. A woman&#039;s smile  at a police officer does not carry the same meaning as the smile she gives to a young child. A smile may show affection, convey politeness, or disguise true feelings. For example many people in Russia consider smiling at strangers in public to be unusual and even suspicious behavior. Yet many Americans smile freely at strangers in public places (although this is less common in big cities). Some Russians believe that Americans smile in the wrong places; some Americans believe that Russians don&#039;t smile enough. In Southeast Asian cultures, a smile is frequently used to cover emotional pain or embarrassment.&quot;&quot;Culture does not always determine the message of nonverbal communication. The individual&#039;s personality, the context, and the relationship also influence its meaning. However, like verbal language, nonverbal language is linked to person&#039;s cultural background. People are generally comfortable with others who have &quot;body language&quot; similar to their own. One research study demonstrated that when British graduate students imitated some Arab patterns of nonverbal behavior (making increased eye contact, smiling, and directly facing their Arab partners), the Arabs felt that these students were more likeable and trustworthy than most of the other British students.&quot;&quot;For Americans, the usual distance in social conversation ranges from about an arm&#039;s length to four feet. Less space in the American culture may be associated with either greater intimacy or aggressive behavior. The common practice of saying &quot;Excuse me,&quot; for the slightest accidental touching of another person reveals how uncomfortable Americans are if people get too close. Thus, a person whose &quot;space&quot; has been intruded upon by another may feel threatened and react defensively. In cultures where close physical contact is acceptable and even desirable, Americans may be perceived as cold and distant.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(seems the topic of fake smiles is such a hot item) A few wise excerpts from Cultural Anthropologists:</p><p>&#8220;It is difficult to generalize about Americans and facial expressiveness because of individual and ethnic differences in the United States. People from certain ethnic backgrounds in the United States tend to more facially expressive than others. The key, is to try not to judge people whose ways of showing emotions are different. If we judge according to our own cultural norms, we may make the mistake of &#8220;reading&#8217; the other person incorrectly.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Facial expressions carry meaning that is determined by situations and relationships. For instance, in American culture the smile is typically an expression of pleasure. Yet it also has other functions. A woman&#8217;s smile  at a police officer does not carry the same meaning as the smile she gives to a young child. A smile may show affection, convey politeness, or disguise true feelings. For example many people in Russia consider smiling at strangers in public to be unusual and even suspicious behavior. Yet many Americans smile freely at strangers in public places (although this is less common in big cities). Some Russians believe that Americans smile in the wrong places; some Americans believe that Russians don&#8217;t smile enough. In Southeast Asian cultures, a smile is frequently used to cover emotional pain or embarrassment.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Culture does not always determine the message of nonverbal communication. The individual&#8217;s personality, the context, and the relationship also influence its meaning. However, like verbal language, nonverbal language is linked to person&#8217;s cultural background. People are generally comfortable with others who have &#8220;body language&#8221; similar to their own. One research study demonstrated that when British graduate students imitated some Arab patterns of nonverbal behavior (making increased eye contact, smiling, and directly facing their Arab partners), the Arabs felt that these students were more likeable and trustworthy than most of the other British students.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;For Americans, the usual distance in social conversation ranges from about an arm&#8217;s length to four feet. Less space in the American culture may be associated with either greater intimacy or aggressive behavior. The common practice of saying &#8220;Excuse me,&#8221; for the slightest accidental touching of another person reveals how uncomfortable Americans are if people get too close. Thus, a person whose &#8220;space&#8221; has been intruded upon by another may feel threatened and react defensively. In cultures where close physical contact is acceptable and even desirable, Americans may be perceived as cold and distant.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-50971</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 13:52:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-50971</guid> <description>TOTALLY agree with each of these points. I&#039;ve been living in the south of France for almost a year, and while many things about living here are amazing, there are just sooo many things I miss about Canada. To add a couple more points to your list:- Efficiency! I hate to generalize here, but from my experience, French people are much more concerned about when they get to take their next smoke break than helping you out. Example: I wanted to borrow a key for the study room in my student residence, and the receptionist-lady was smoking and told me she&#039;d get it for me as soon as she was done her cigarette. I was absolutely stunned.- NO SMOKING LAWS. Even though France is slightly better than countries such as Austria or Czech Republic, where you can smoke INSIDE bars/restaurants, I still seem to run into people smoking left, right and center. And although they go &quot;outside&quot; to do it, they&#039;re normally only about 4 feet from a doorway, so you end up walking through a cloud of smoke anyhow.Anyways, I too love Europe, I think it&#039;s more cultured, more interesting and less &quot;go go go.&quot; But from my experience it&#039;s not somewhere I would ever want to live permanently - I&#039;ve come to realize I like how things are done at home :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOTALLY agree with each of these points. I&#8217;ve been living in the south of France for almost a year, and while many things about living here are amazing, there are just sooo many things I miss about Canada. To add a couple more points to your list:</p><p>- Efficiency! I hate to generalize here, but from my experience, French people are much more concerned about when they get to take their next smoke break than helping you out. Example: I wanted to borrow a key for the study room in my student residence, and the receptionist-lady was smoking and told me she&#8217;d get it for me as soon as she was done her cigarette. I was absolutely stunned.</p><p>- NO SMOKING LAWS. Even though France is slightly better than countries such as Austria or Czech Republic, where you can smoke INSIDE bars/restaurants, I still seem to run into people smoking left, right and center. And although they go &#8220;outside&#8221; to do it, they&#8217;re normally only about 4 feet from a doorway, so you end up walking through a cloud of smoke anyhow.</p><p>Anyways, I too love Europe, I think it&#8217;s more cultured, more interesting and less &#8220;go go go.&#8221; But from my experience it&#8217;s not somewhere I would ever want to live permanently &#8211; I&#8217;ve come to realize I like how things are done at home <img src="http://www.nomadicmatt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?4c9b33" alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jessica</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-46975</link> <dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:29:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-46975</guid> <description>I agree with you, Matt!  I am American and moved to Sweden to get the &quot;international experience&quot; and I have to say...one year would have been more than long enough to experience everything I needed to.  The longer I live here (7 years total, on-and-off), the more I miss the things you wrote about.  Especially customer service and politeness.  I have never lived in any non-Scandinavian European country, so I can&#039;t speak for the whole of Europe, but the &quot;customer service&quot; in Scandinavia is non-existent, and sometimes downright hostile.I would also write &quot;racism&quot; on the list of things I do not like about Europe.  I did not notice it at first (and I have heard things are better in England than they are here), but Scandinavia is an extremely racist place to live.  I am in a mixed-race relationship, and I have seen first-hand how people of color get treated here (Asian engineers unable to work as anything but taxi drivers, people repeatedly referred to by stereotypes- even on TV and radio, racist jokes on TV with absolutely no backlash from the general public, racist billboards for national soccer competitions, you name it.)http://www.thelocal.se/1528/20050601/I am here to study.  I am a Swedish citizen now, but my fiancé and I are leaving for the USA as soon as I am done with my degree.  We might even leave early.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Matt!  I am American and moved to Sweden to get the &#8220;international experience&#8221; and I have to say&#8230;one year would have been more than long enough to experience everything I needed to.  The longer I live here (7 years total, on-and-off), the more I miss the things you wrote about.  Especially customer service and politeness.  I have never lived in any non-Scandinavian European country, so I can&#8217;t speak for the whole of Europe, but the &#8220;customer service&#8221; in Scandinavia is non-existent, and sometimes downright hostile.</p><p>I would also write &#8220;racism&#8221; on the list of things I do not like about Europe.  I did not notice it at first (and I have heard things are better in England than they are here), but Scandinavia is an extremely racist place to live.  I am in a mixed-race relationship, and I have seen first-hand how people of color get treated here (Asian engineers unable to work as anything but taxi drivers, people repeatedly referred to by stereotypes- even on TV and radio, racist jokes on TV with absolutely no backlash from the general public, racist billboards for national soccer competitions, you name it.)</p><p><a href="http://www.thelocal.se/1528/20050601/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelocal.se/1528/20050601/</a></p><p>I am here to study.  I am a Swedish citizen now, but my fiancé and I are leaving for the USA as soon as I am done with my degree.  We might even leave early.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hotel GO</title><link>http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/the-four-things-i-hate-about-europe/#comment-46615</link> <dc:creator>Hotel GO</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:23:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nomadicmatt.com/?p=3255#comment-46615</guid> <description>You sound like you are comparing the US to any one place in Europe at a time. To compare say Paris to the US is pointless, especially in terms of cultural diversity and foods etc. It would be more accurate to compare the US to Europe as a whole - I think you&#039;ll find there is all the culinery diversity across Europe to match the US and more.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound like you are comparing the US to any one place in Europe at a time. To compare say Paris to the US is pointless, especially in terms of cultural diversity and foods etc. It would be more accurate to compare the US to Europe as a whole &#8211; I think you&#8217;ll find there is all the culinery diversity across Europe to match the US and more.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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